chefs ball or anywhere else? >> i think what makes a memorable dish is, one, it has to taste good. and two, you know, it got to have a good story. when you have these wonderful chefs there and, you know, you've got, you know, isabella, who's a wonderful, wonderful chef. and todd gray who i worked closely with with the first lady's program, i mean, they'll have these amazing stories. and people know their stories and it's -- it makes it taste that much better. >> yeah. speaking of cooking, you actually -- you've cooked for the president. >> yes. many times. >> what have you made? what does he like? >> well, you know, we only are a block and a half away from each other in hyde park -- >> chicago. >> yes, exactly. being -- >> you don't sound like you're from chicago. >> honey child, i am -- i'm not from chicago. i'm from jasper, florida. but they claim me, too. but you know, he loves fish. you know, and particularly hawaii and everything. you know, we do a lot of fish for him. they do love dessert. i was funny. you know, you lived in atlanta and stuff.